Coletti On Cheungian Occasionalism
(Aquascum, aquascumSPAMMENOT at gmail dot com)
R.Anthony Coletti
has posted a reply to my “On Cheungian Occasionalism”
(cf. <http://www.reformed.plus.com/aquascum/occasionalism.htm>). It can
be found at <http://www.puritanboard.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=17024&page=2#pid237899>.
Here are my thoughts, which were emailed to Coletti.
> "Divine illumination" is not fallible in the
same sense
> because it is not a justifying
"process".
I
Here I would simply encourage you to read section 4 of my
"A Response to Vincent Cheung," where I lay out Cheung
> The comparison should be made to the Scripturalist
justifying
> process for knowledge by
deduction from Scripture. Certainly
> deduction from Scripture is
much more reliable then induction
> from sense-experiences. But
both are fallible in that both call
> for normal reasoning functions
that suffer from the noetic
> effects of sin.
Err, what? Here you say that "deduction from
Scripture" is "fallible," even as "induction from
sense-experiences" is "fallible". Once again, your problem
appears to be with Cheung, not with me. Why, exactly, is the fallibility of
sense-experience a problem then, if deduction from Scripture is likewise
fallible?
> The "divine illumination" process is a
different
> matter altogether. It is an infallibly metaphysical
means
> that God makes us believe
truths and falsehoods - not the
> "justifying" process of epistemology. And it
never fails to
> do what it purports to do - no matter what
epistemological
> process one employs to justify
a proposition (empiricism or
> Scripturalism or rationalism) as
knowledge.
The problem here is a simple equivocation on the notion of
"infallible". No doubt if an omnipotent God seeks to cause in us
belief X, then he cannot fail of his purpose. Such a belief *will* be produced.
In that sense, the process is infallible (though the better
terminology here is to say that the process is deterministic rather than
probabilistic). But, of course, the fact that God cannot fail to attain
his goal of producing in us a particular belief on any occasion he chooses,
does not give us any reason at all to think that the belief will be either true
or false. On many, many occasions, God produces false beliefs in human beings,
rather than true beliefs. Thus, the process of occasionalist divine
illumination is fallible *from the epistemic point of view*.
In this latter sense, then, the parallel with
sense-experience is exact, and relevant. When epistemologists comment upon the
fallibility of sense-experience, they wouldn
My comparison between sense-experience and occasionalist
divine illumination, as to their fallibility, was intended to be from the
epistemic point of view, and no other. Presumably, this is also the comparison
intended by Cheung in the passages I cite. Here are two examples.
First, Cheung does not take occasionalist divine
illumination to be a merely
<<<
"Christian epistemology affirms that all knowledge must
be immediately – that is, without mediation – granted and conveyed to the human
mind by God. Thus on the occasion that you look at the words of the Bible, God
directly communicates what is written to your mind, *without* going through the
senses themselves. That is, your sensations provide the occasions upon which
God directly conveys information to your mind *apart from* the sensations
themselves. Therefore, although we do read the Bible, knowledge never comes
from sensation" ("Ultimate Questions," p. 38).
>>>
Cheung says that the above view is "consistent with
Christian metaphysics," but clearly he takes it to be an affirmation of
"Christian epistemology". It is Christian *epistemology* which
"affirms that all knowledge must be immediately – that is, without
mediation – granted and conveyed to the human mind by God." It is
Christian *epistemology* which affirms that "on the occasion that you look
at the words of the Bible, God directly communicates what is written to your
mind, *without* going through the senses themselves. That is, your sensations
provide the occasions upon which God directly conveys information to your mind
*apart from* the sensations themselves."
Second, take Cheung
<<<
And if I know that
>>>
Clearly, Cheung is contrasting two *epistemological*
processes. There are two candidates for how Cheung *knows* that "Vincent
is a man": he either "knows this on an empirical basis," or he
knows it "by illumination from the Logos, in accordance with my
explanation on occasionalism."
In addition, in the citation above you misapply the
distinction between "metaphysical means" and "epistemological
process". No doubt there is a distinction here, but it does you no good in
this context. Both sense-experience and occasionalist divine illumination can
be characterized as "metaphysical means". Advocates of
sense-experience say that there is a genuinely metaphysical process, a *causal*
process, that obtains in virtue of sensory stimuli causing effects in us,
namely, beliefs. That is why discussions of causation loom large in treatises
on metaphysics; it is in general a metaphysical matter as to what causes what.
Similarly, as you rightly bring out, occasionalist divine illumination is a
metaphysical means. Divine illumination is a *causal* process that obtains in
virtue of God directly causing beliefs in us on the occasion of empirical
observation.
By the same token, both sense-experience and occasionalist
divine illumination can be characterized as an "epistemological
process". Once you bring in the question of the *truth* of the beliefs
produced, and bring in the question of the reliability of the process in
bringing about true beliefs, you are comparing the processes from the epistemic
point of view, where increasing our stock of true beliefs is the chief
(although not only) epistemological desideratum. Notice that we can do this
because in each case one of the causal relata is
*beliefs*, which are things that can be either true or false. (By way of
contrast, it
So no, the divine illumination process *isn
> Aquascum has compared apples to oranges in his argument
-
> an epistemological process
(empiricism) for justifying
> knowledge, to a metaphysical
process (divine illumination)
> for believing any proposition
is true or false.
Hopefully you are now in a position to see why this charge
won
> Empiricism is an unreliable process for justifying
> knowledge. Scripturalism is
not infallible, but far
> more reliable as a process.
Do you really think this will satisfy Cheung
> "Divine illumination" is infallible because
it does
> exactly what it says - and is
justified as a proposition
> from the Scripturalism epistemology.
One might as well say that "sense experience" is
infallible because it does exactly what *it* says. After all, any time sensory
stimuli are in a position to cause our beliefs, they do so, or so says the
advocate of sense-experience. Cheung of course demurs, and says that this
causal process doesn
But once we examine either causal process from an epistemic
point of view -- as to whether it produces *true* beliefs -- it is easily seen
that they are equally fallible.
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-- Aquascum